It's very simple. Prune flowering trees and shrubs after they finish flowering. Now learn why and how to prune these plants in the desert.
Texas Ranger on the right was pruned with a hedge shears in June.
It's very simple. Prune flowering trees and shrubs after they finish flowering. Now learn why and how to prune these plants in the desert.
Texas Ranger on the right was pruned with a hedge shears in June.
One reader looking for sabadilla and having no luck finding it. Sabadilla was very popular maybe 40 or 50 years ago as a "natural" pest control product. You can read more about other natural products including sabadilla by clicking here. Since that time other products (insecticidal soaps, Neem, spinosad products, pyrethrum, Bt and others) have grown in popularity. At one time sabadilla could not be found for sale in the US. It is back and growing in popularity.
It might have some potential against the leaf footed plant bug since it has been very effective in the past on squash bugs. But like any label for an insecticide, the crop you are spraying MUST be on the label in some way (even if it says vegetables or fruit trees!) and preferably the insect you are trying to kill as well.
Leaf footed plant bug
Squash bug on the underside of a squash leaf. About the same size as the leaf footed plant bug.
Q. I have a small amount of sabadilla dust leftover from about 30 years ago. It was the only thing I found that was very effective on squash bugs. I am having trouble finding it. Do you know where I can get more?
A. Sabadilla was made from the ground seeds of the sabadilla plant (S. officinalle). Sabadilla was not available in the US for a couple of decades but it is back. I remember it from my past but I had never used it. Now it is sold mostly for homeopathic treatments for allergies and runny nose.
I did find one source (I think it might be the only one) online here available from MGK as a "USDA organic" insecticide. It is now a wettable powder (WP) and not a dust (D) anymore (dusts for the most part went by-by years ago and now you can find a few available to homeowners) so it must be mixed with water and applied as a suspension (some sort of agitation of the WP solution is required to apply it evenly). Suspension can sometimes be achieved if you stop and shake a hand sprayer regularly (keep the solution in motion) when you apply it.
Remember, "dose makes the poison" so anything considered "natural" or organic can be lethal if used the wrong way. I figure that if something can kill bugs, then it can kill me. That's true of anything including soapy water and table salt! So use any so-called "natural" or organic product with the same caution you would use with anything that can kill. Wash your clothes and take a shower right after you apply it. That is true of your dust product as well. And wear gloves at least! Always apply insecticides on a still, warm day.
There are over 600 varieties of pomegranates with all sorts of flavors and colors that make this a unique and hardy fruit tree for desert climates.
Q. My oranges haven’t ripened on my two-year-old tree. Some are green and others yellowish with very hard skin and last year’s fruit wasn’t very sweet or soft. Should I cover them tonight? It will be freezing.
A. The fruit of many oranges attached to the tree are
damaged at temperatures of 30°F or a few degrees lower. The type or variety of sweet orange is highly
variable to freezing temperatures. If you think winter temperatures will drop
low enough for damage, then throw a sheet or blanket over the tree to protect
it from cold and wind.
Go outside at night and look at the sky. Clear skies are more likely to contribute to lower temperatures than cloudy skies. If there is wind combined with freezing temperatures, fruit damage is worse.
Your
oranges may not be ripe yet. Ripeness depends on the variety and when it’s
supposed to be harvested. Cold weather will get them to turn orange as they
ripen. Oranges grown in tropical climates never turn orange when they are ripe.
Consumers know this and their green color is acceptable. If they are ripe
enough, put them in a paper bag with a few ripe bananas for a day and they will
soon turn orange.
My guess
from their color is they should stay on the tree longer. If they are sweet,
they may handle some temperatures down to about 28F or so. Citrus grown in US
commercially are found in in Yuma, Arizona, Rio Grande Valley in Texas, mid to
south Florida and southern California. These places seldom freeze.
Ripe
fruit handles temperatures a couple of degrees lower than unripe fruit because
of their natural anti-freeze; higher sugar content. The sweeter the orange,
lower temperatures by a few degrees are needed to freeze them. If you want to
measure the sugar content, follow my blog and type in the word “refractometer”
in the search line.
Our
desert climate creates winter temperatures too low for growing and producing
citrus. You might have a couple of warm winters in a row followed by low winter
temperatures that may wipe out the citrus.
Will
citrus grow in Las Vegas? Some years, depending on where they are planted and your
choice in citrus. Will they produce fruit here? Sometimes, depending on when
they flower and the temperatures just before and after flowering.
Talk to
your neighbors and look around your neighborhood. If your neighbors were lucky
at growing oranges, you might have the same luck. Be suspicious of
neighborhoods that have no citrus growing in them at all. There might be a
weather and climate related reason for that or you might be the pioneer who
starts something.
Pay
attention to the type or variety of orange you have. You call yours an
“orange”. This orange has a name or variety besides just “orange”. These
different varieties of oranges flower and are harvested at different times.
Some perform better here than others.
The
“University of Arizona” published a fact sheet that you can retrieve online
called, “Low Desert Citrus Varieties”. If this link is broken, use your favorite search engine and type
in these words in quotations and look at the last two pages. This fact sheet
tells you the harvest time for different varieties of citrus. Avoid varieties
that are ready to harvest in the middle of December or later in the season.
Q. We did a landscape conversion, removed the lawn and now our tree-sized specimen, multi-trunked photinia, is declining. The trunk has cracks, it’s gray and looks ugly. We bought Tree Secret fertilizer and applied water per the directions and it seems to be better. We added more lines around the basin to increase the amount of water and have mulched around the tree. When is the right time to trim it?
A. The photos you sent regarding the photinia were eye opening. I will post them on my blog as well, Xtremehorticulture of the Desert. These cracks in the trunk and gray color are from intense desert sunlight shining on the tender trunk. This might also include borer damage under that grey, cracked area of the trunk. The grey cracked bark is covering the dead side of the trunk so go ahead and remove the bark and see.
In my
opinion, you would have improved the plant by just applying water to a larger
area under the canopy and not an expensive fertilizer. Applying a quality compost to that area gives the same
benefit as any well-balanced fertilizer. In fact, a well-balanced fertilizer is
formulated to substitute for what a compost does naturally. There are no “secret ingredients” when growing
plants, just marketing and “time savers” similar to “Hamburger Helper” used in
some kitchens.
This intense sunlight shining on a tender trunk results in sunburn, then death to the part of trunk that faces this intense sunlight. This damage is oftentimes followed by attacks by boring insects starting the same year as the damage. Sunburn is known to attract boring insects which has been the consequence of sunburned plants over and over for eons. Desert plants like palo verde and mesquite do the same thing if their tender trunks are exposed like your photinia.
What does photinia look like in a milder climate?
There are two problems going on. Photinia, native to Japan, is not a desert plant and its trunk sunburns easily when exposed to intense sunlight. The other is the landscape microclimate, i.e., where it is planted in the yard.
What to do? Obviously, this plant can’t be moved to a cooler microclimate in the yard. And it appears to have done well in that spot before the landscape conversion. I would expand the area irrigated to as much of the area under its canopy as possible. Ideally, irrigating the entire area under the canopy is best.
Secondly, root prune the plant to the edge of its canopy by slicing into the wet soil at the canopy edge with a sharp shovel. The photinia has this fall, winter and spring to grow new roots just inside its canopy before it gets hot again. These new roots will find the water.
The direct harsh sunlight caused significant damage to the exposed trunk. Microclimate. I think exposing the tender trunks to direct sunlight may have burned them. Not much you can do that looks nice. You could paint the trunks with a very light coat of paint (light colored latex diluted half and half with water) but that might look kind of weird considering. If there are suckers that are growing from that area then leave enough to shade the trunk until it heals. Plant other plants in that area to shade the trunk.
The trunk will heal in a year or two if this problem
hasn’t already strangled the trunks. You might
consider planting something tolerant of the heat to shade the trunk and give it
a chance to heal. You might consider lightly draping some burlap between the
sun and the trunk to shade it until it can provide its own shade. But whatever
shade you can create to keep the sun from damaging the trunk will help.
Q. What should I do to increase the size of my pomegranate fruit next year? My soil has a red color.
A. Red soil tells me you are probably not from around here and secondly, your soil has a lot of iron in it. This type of iron is not available to most plants because it is low in organics and the acidity is wrong.
I also assume you are a backyard producer and not a farmer. My recommendations
might be different if you had 50 or more pomegranate trees and were local.
Right
now, since it is late Fall and it is getting colder and there are still leaves on the trees, there is nothing to do. To
increase the size of fruit, focus on pruning, a fertilizer application, and don’t
let the plant get droughty. You will see some smaller benefits by removing a flower for small fruit growing right next to another, some thinning and pest control.
First, don’t forget to sanitize your pruning equipment.
About a month before new growth
begins in the spring, prune the pomegranate to 5 or fewer (yes, as few as one)
larger stems coming from the ground. Remove all the remaining growth to the ground
as well. From the remaining larger stems remove all side branches up to your
knees. After this is done, spray the plant and the soil directly at its base twice
with dormant oil before it begins flowering.
When flowering first starts, apply fertilizer to the tree 12 to 18 inches from the stems and where the soil is wet. Use vegetable or rose fertilizer if you do not have a fruit tree fertilizer available. Because your soil is red and not brown, consider applying compost instead of mineral fertilizer. If you apply compost, apply one cubic foot of it in a circle 18 inches from these large stems.
Q. As an avid killer of plants I can't seem to get anything to grow outstanding well. My asparagus attempt is especially disappointing. I did as you suggested, mostly, and dug down as deep as my tiller would dig about 13". For better drainage I 2" drilled holes another 12" and filled them with gravel. I feel that should be pretty good drainage. I ordered Jersey Knight asparagus and planted as per instructions. I had a very mixed bag. Out of 10 crowns 5 have died. 1 shot up like a cannon but has since slowed its velocity. The other 4 are in some stage of growing but not heartily. How do I figure out what I did wrong 9 times and right once?
Jersey Knight? This is a Rutgers release as are all the "Jersey" types. In my opinion it has lower tolerance to desert heat than UC151 types which were bred in Riverside for the Coachella Valley. Eastern US, use Jersey types. Hot western areas of US, use UC151 types. They hold their spears longer.
Water and don’t water them again until the soil dries out in the area of the roots. How to know that? Use a soil moisture meter like you use for houseplants Buy them for $10 at Lowes or Home Depot.
Make sure it works. Those made in China sometimes work and sometimes don’t. That's been my experience experience with well over a hundred of them. If the needle moves when you grab the tip it is probably okay. Otherwise stick the tip in a glass of water. Measure the soil moisture about 4 inches deep and water again ONLY if the needle gets to 5. Water them by hand if you have to and don’t hook them up to a valve that waters something else. They are always wrong for asparagus.
Q. My little pummelo which came bare root in March has profuse flowering now in November. The tree is small -5'- and would not support any pummelo sized fruit. Should I wrap it up for the winter and disregard the flowers?
Pomello is a distant relative of grapefruit and enjoyed in many SE Asia countries like on our farm in the Philippines. Its tolerance to freezing temperatures is better than most limes but not as good as some oranges. Its chilling injury (refrigerator temps, think banana) is not well known but suggests it may exhibit chilling injury. Pomello grown in the Las Vegas area.
A. In this particular case I don’t think any of the flowers would have set fruit anyway. Pomello that I know takes about six years to bear fruit. It may flower earlier than this but the fruit have to be pollinated and not abort the fruit.
Yes, protect the tree this winter if there are threatening temps below freezing.
I don’t know about chilling injury (temperatures not freezing but refrigerator like) to this fruit tree but there are some suggestions that it exists.
More information on chilling injury of pomello
https://allfruits.blogspot.com/search?q=pomello
More discussion on freezing injury of pomello
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=24319.0
Pomello growing in the Philippines.
A.
Q. I think you addressed this not too long ago but I give your Saturday articles to my neighbor so I’m not sure what you said. The attached photos show two trees the builder put in my front yard two years ago. I think they are Texas Ash?
I have three yellow emitters and now water these trees twice per week for 15 minutes. (I can’t remember how many gallons the yellow ones due in an hour)!
A. Ash trees don’t like the heat all that much. All of them including Arizona ash. So surrounded by rock (even though it is five feet away from the trunk) is not the best thing for it. The roots of this tree can't keep up with the demand by this tree for more water. The main reason you are seeing the leaves burning on the outside (leaf scorch) is either because the soil needs improvement or the soil is staying too wet or both.
If you can make that basin covered in wood chips about three feet wider from the trunk it will help. Rake the rock back, get more scalloped pavers and make it bigger. Also, the wood chips should be about four inches deep. Keep the wood chips from the tree trunk about six inches.
It helps to put a thin layer of compost on the soil surface under the wood chips. If this is a burden then sprinkle it on the top of the wood chips and water it in with a hose. Mixing it into the hole at planting time should have been done at planting time but some of the less expensive plantings (I have heard rumors of this happening with some “special deals” from nurseries) don’t use much amendment at planting time or not much mixed in the soil or the holes are dug too small or all of the above.
I am not sure how you are watering that tree (one of the ash). There needs to be AT LEAST four drip emitters to that tree at planting time about 12 inches from the trunk and enough water applied to wet the soil 18 inches deep each time you water. After the first couple of days the watering should NEVER be daily. The first couple of days daily watering is okay to get the soil wet and get rid of air bubbles. The soil needs to dry out between irrigations.
Use a four foot piece of rebar from Lowes or Home Depot to judge if watering is deep enough. If not, water more minutes or add drip emitters or get some that deliver more water until it gets that deep.
In mid summer three times a week is plenty if they are all alone and no other plants for the ash tree roots to get water from. Right now once or maybe twice a week is plenty. In about two or three years you better add more drip emitters in another ring out past these emitters about 18 inches away.
Stay ahead of the drought curve and water when it is windy. Don't wait for the next irrigation cycle.
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Q. I would like to plant a pomegranate tree this Fall but I am worried that the weather is going to be cooling down soon. Do you think I missed my opportunity for planting, and should I wait for Spring?
A. Just because it is getting colder doesn’t mean you
can’t plant. Ideally you want a few weeks of root growth in the Fall after
planting. The timing may not be optimum for root growth when soil temperatures
are cold, but it will still work out. If you find a variety you like, get it in
the ground.
Temperate
plant roots (like pomegranate) grow best when soil temperatures are between 60
to 75F but they still grow even when soil temperatures are as low as 45F. They
just don’t grow as fast. Try to plant early enough so that there are 4 to 5
weeks of warm soil temperatures before the soil gets cold.
How to
estimate the soil temperature? The best way is to buy a soil thermometer for
about $15 and measure for yourself but otherwise you can make a rough
approximation. Surface
mulch, rock or woodchips, conserve soil warmth in the Fall and insulate soil
from heat in the Spring and Summer months.
In my
experience, using your sense of touch is accurate to within about 5 degrees F
of temperatures ranging from the refrigerator (40F) to the spa (105F).
Fall
planting (early) is always superior to Spring planting (late) of winter hardy plants.
Q. I live in the St. George Utah area and use your horticulture advice regarding many of the plants in my yard. Three small questions if I may ask?
1) Is your advice, on the broad list of subjects flower-plants-shrubs- trees, ok to follow for this area?
2) I have never raised vegetables before and would the Moapa publication be a good guide for this area for a beginner grower?
3) I have two Arizona Ash on my South West side of the yard. 15 ft apart on a drip line. One had aphids this year which I watched closely and removed them with chemical spray. However, the lower limbs continued to have leaf curl all summer with no bugs and no real damage to the leaf other than the curl.
A1. I view your climate similar to Kingman AZ and Pahrump
NV. It doesn’t get as hot as LV and it can get a bit colder. You have an
excellent extension guy in Rick Hefflebower located on the way to Hurricane. By all means
use my information as best you can but if you aren’t sure about something run
it by Rick and get his take on it. I think your soils are better than LV and
you may or may not need as much soil amendment as we do in LV. The color of
your soil should tell you. Certainly if you are growing vegetables or annual
flowers you ALWAYS will need to add it.
A2. I attached his pamphlet for you and my planting
calendar. whenever you can get local information is usually better. You have some excellent gardeners
in Washington county. I think Dr. Wittwer has some excellent info in his Moapa Valley vegetable guide but just
tailor it to your climate. I think you are colder than our 3000 ft elevation I
have on my calendar. I could be wrong but that is my take on it.
A.3. I think you may be more isolated in St George
regarding ash decline but that is always my concern in the LV area. I saw this
ash disease active in the LV community in the late 1980s so it is coming if you
don’t have it.
The use of chemicals or not is a personal choice. I don’t
support one side or the other. I use chemicals when all else fails. I don’t
believe in throwing out the baby with the bath water.
Probably the biggest factor is wind. If its windy then
irrigate that day and throw out the one day between irrigations rule. Listen to
my podcast on heat and plants and it will apply to St George I think.
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Q. I have a ten-year-old Bartlett pear tree and the pears are kind of small, about 3 inches long. The label says they ripen in August but mine are not ripe until end of October. November. I pick them, leave them out in kitchen and they become juicy and ripe. I water the trees heavily once a week and the fruit improve. Is there any way to make tree produce larger fruit?
A. Bartlett pear has the potential here for getting the
same size as in the stores with the same or better quality. It is a matter of
how many fruit there are compared to the number of leaves. If there are a lot
of fruit and not enough leaves to support the fruit, the fruit will be
smaller.
For
Bartlett pear you should have about 45 to 50 leaves for each piece of fruit so
that they can get larger. The fruit is produced on spurs that form an average
of five fruit per cluster. Remove all but one fruit per cluster when the fruit
has recently set and is still very small. This may be hard to judge when the
fruit is just starting out in the spring but try removing all but one of the
fruit in each cluster. If you want the fruit larger, next year remove more. Do
it when they are small. Don’t wait. The remaining fruit will get larger. This
is called “thinning the crop” or just plain “thinning”.
Fruit also needs water present to expand and get big when its growing. Make sure the tree gets adequate water while the fruit is enlarging. If the tree doesn’t, the fruit will not grow as much. I don’t know if your watering is often enough or not. But in midsummer I would guess the trees should be watered deeply two or three times a week. Once a week is good in the Fall when it cools off.
Pick Bartlett pears when they are still green, but the green has changed from dark green to light green. Your label is wrong. Harvesting should be in about late September or early October, not August. If you aren’t sure, pick one and cut it open to look at the seeds. The seeds should be all brown then go ahead and pick them. Picking may last two weeks as they don’t all get ready to pick at once.
Pick the fruit before they turn yellow because this keeps the fruit texture buttery instead of gritty. Then let them ripen in a cool place out of the sun until they are ready to eat in a few days. When you get them from the store they are sometimes green. Ripen them like that before eating them.
Q. This past year our pomegranate bush had a lot of whiteflies. I know they do damage to the bush and so I want to control them organically and naturally. How would you suggest doing that?
A. Whiteflies are a bad insect problem for any plant. I
would rank them with the “hard to control” list of insects. In small numbers
they can be tolerated but their populations grow so quickly that small numbers
lead to large numbers very fast. For this reason, it’s important to get them
under control early, as soon as you see them, in late spring and early summer.
Don’t wait.
Damage
is associated with their feeding. Their feeding supports a quick growth in
their population as summer temperatures get hotter. They love the heat and so
they’re not seen around much until June or July. Once you see them and it’s
hot, watch out! You are behind the curve and they are way ahead of you!
In late May begin weekly inspections of the leaf undersides for whitefly adults. The adults look like living dandruff. You probably won’t see the eggs or immature forms because they are so small, but you will see the adult females preparing to lay eggs or protecting their young so that they can build their populations as quickly as possible. Pull these leaves off when you see them infested and dispose of them or vacuum them with a Dust Buster. This practice slows their populations way down.
Control is two-pronged. First, spray pomegranate bushes on a warm day in December and then again in January with a dormant oil. You can use the commercial brands of dormant oils and horticultural oils or you can use soybean oil, canola oil, rosemary oil or cinnamon oil.
Spray all the branches after pruning, top to bottom, and spray a little extra shot at the base of each tree. This spray suffocates insects that might be hiding out during the winter months. It is the most important spray for controlling insects that will be problems in 2020.
At the beginning of June, hang bright yellow or bright blue thick construction paper in the tree smeared with Vaseline. Whiteflies fly toward bright yellow and bright blue objects and the Vaseline causes them to get stuck. As these traps begin to fill, replace them with new ones. It might look a little funny, but light reflected from aluminum foil repels them.
If
populations are totally out of control, spray with an insecticide to get their
populations back under control. As a homeowner, use pesticides when all other
attempts fail. Spraying with insecticides, however, have other consequences and
should be a last resort.
Q. In a previous post you talked about whiteflies.
https://xtremehorticulture.blogspot.com/2015/02/how-to-control-whiteflies-on-tomato.html
https://xtremehorticulture.blogspot.com/2015/06/the-whiteflies-are-coming-whiteflies.html
What do they look like and how do I know if my plants have them?
A. Whiteflies are commonly found on many different
vegetables during summer months, like tomatoes, squash and melons. But they are
not as common to ornamental trees and shrubs. As far as ornamentals go, they
can be a problem for ash trees, citrus, pomegranate, gardenia, hibiscus, iris,
flowering annuals, gladiolus and some others. Whiteflies are small insects,
brilliant white in color as winged adults, that suck plant juices from leaves
and young stems much like aphids and leafhoppers.
If you
are observant and constantly tinkering around your plants, you will notice them
during the heat of the summer swarming in the air when disturbed from plant
leaves like white “dandruff”. This is an indicator to look at the undersides of
leaves where you will find a massive number of unwinged young’uns sucking
“juice” from the plants.
If you
are not as observant, you might notice sticky, sugary sap dropping on plant
leaves from the feeding just above it. Or you might see columns of ants
attracted to this sugary sap, going back and forth to their underground nest
carrying this sugary food. Sometimes a black mold will grow on this sugary sap
in more humid climates, just like it will with aphids. This black mold is
called “sooty mold” which can cause lots of plant damage if left unchecked.
The
adults can fly while the young-uns can’t.
So that swarm of white adults you see flying are adults only and a sure
sign that feeding damage is underway.
It’s
winter now so you will not see whiteflies on plants unless they are on plants
in warm spots like greenhouses. They are tough to control because they are
resistant to many chemical controls. If
you find them early enough, removing infested leaves might keep them in check.
Repeated soap and water sprays will kill them. Winter applications of dormant
oil to woody trees and shrubs in January will help suppress their numbers in
the summer from overwintering adults.
Q. I am planting a 15-gallon ‘Wonderful’ pomegranate and suspicious if the plant would benefit from a deeper hole amended with washed sand to help with drainage.
A. Unless there is a drainage problem, 99% of the time
there is no benefit from digging a hole deeper. There is even less benefit when
adding sand to the hole in any form and this practice is likely to make drainage worse! When drainage
is a problem, the simplest method is to plant on mounds.
The
majority of small tree or la
rge shrub roots are about 18 inches deep. That’s
all. But the soil they are planted in must drain water or the roots will
suffocate or “drown”. To check for drainage, dig a hole to the same depth as
the 15-gallon planting container. Fill the hole with water and let it drain. Fill
the hole a second time and watch how fast it drains. Filling this whole a
second time is very important because the first filling only measures how fast
water enters the soil or its “infiltration rate”. Filling the same hole a
second time, when the soil is still wet, measures true drainage or its
“percolation rate”.
If the
water in the hole drains overnight, its drainage is acceptable. Only very
shallow rooted plants like lawns, vegetables and annual flowers are watered
daily during the summer months. When watering trees and shrubs the soil should
be drained for at least one day between irrigations. This gives they soil and
roots a chance to “breathe” before the next irrigation.
Take my
word on this but adding sand to a planting hole, either as a layer or mixed
with the existing soil, is a recipe for disaster. Adobe bricks are made from a
mixture of soil, sand and organics. Keep that in mind.
Q. We're considering planting a fig tree grove in our school garden this year. How long typically does it take for them to produce figs ready for harvest?
A. Figs produce fruit very quickly after planting. You
should start seeing fruit produced the year after planting in most varieties.
Remember, figs produce fruit on the wood that grew last year as well as the wood
actively growing.
Figs can
be very big trees if you allow them to grow. They can also be cut back to a
much smaller size. You mentioned planting a grove of figs. Their planting
distances apart should be the same as their maximum height. If you plant them
10 feet apart, don’t let them grow above 10 feet tall.
Remember
that figs do great in desert climates, in desert soils, in the desert heat
with low humidity. But they are heavy water users much like palm trees. Water
them the same as you would any other fruit tree and don’t expect production if
you don’t give them enough water. They will benefit from soil covered with
woodchips simply because the woodchips keep the soil moist longer. As the main crop comes on, they may dry up. This is because they dont have enough water to fully develop!!!